Gay Marriage

Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America. A passionate and provocative case for gay marriage as the best way to preserve and protect society's most essential institution.
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Toulmina Gay marriage has become a big issue in recent years. Many people who are for gay marriage say that homosexuals are not hurting anybody so why does it matter? If it is consensual and two people love each other, why should anyone tell them that they can’t get married and be happy? So I’ll ask you this: If those reasons are considered to be good, why don’t we allow incest or polygamy? If they love each other, why not? What’s the difference between two men getting married if they are in love and two cousins getting married if they’re in love? There’s no reason why the two are different. Some say that incest causes birth defects, but statistics show that it only raises the chance by 1-3%. Also, 70% of Americans with AIDS are homosexual or bisexual men, so both homosexuality and incest are dangerous and unhealthy lifestyles.

Another claim that is heard often is that you are born homosexual. This has not been scientifically proven. Also, if you are born homosexual, how come some people have converted back to being heterosexual? It has been proven, though, that many homosexuals had difficult childhood experiences, such as abuse. Many lived in unloving homes as children and reacted to this in a negative way. So if homosexuality really is caused by something, it’s most likely environmental factors, not biological. It is a choice, and people can change.

Homosexuality is not only unhealthy, it is immoral and unnatural. God’s natural order was explained in Genesis with Adam and Eve. If, Andrew, you believe that Adam and Eve is only a fable (which they are not), Paul addresses homosexuality in Romans 1:26-28. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done." It is made very clear in this passage that homosexuality is 100% wrong.
If you believe in evolution, Andrew, you would know that evolution is all about survival of the fittest and reproduction. Homosexuals cannot reproduce so evolution cannot be an argument either.

I will accept homosexuals, but I will not support or promote them. I believe it is wrong, immoral, unnatural, and unhealthy.
1/23/2009
anon. Being gay is a choice, you are not born with this choice, you make it. This is proven by the number of people who decide to change and come back to the "normal" standard of man and women. This normal standard is proven in most gay relationships that actually work. You will have one man and one woman in the relationship. Usually there is some type of event in someones life that triggers the decision to try it out, and who would understand you better then someone of the same sex.

Should someone who chooses to sleep with children get rights a a child molestor? It is a sexual choice? Being gay is also a sexual preference, or choice. It feels good, and sex is a big part of the relationship. A woman might be more understanding to another woman on what she needs to make her happy sexually then most men would. Unfortunetly that is the case, and the same is true for a gey mans relationship, it does not discount the fact that it is still a choice that caused it. I do not believe anyone should get special preference for your sexual preference.
6/18/2006
Andrew dear john
my parents were very happy to find out I was gay and they support me and my FIANCE...thats right canada allows gay marriage. A child isnt influenced to be gay. I believe that one is born gay/bi/trans...you were born straight...weren't you?
and also, hate to offend any christians, because i do believe in God and Jesus and go to church every sunday, but many things have proven that there were no adam and eve persay, it's called evolution. The story of adam and eve is just a fable, can u still honestly say that a woman is weaker than a man? and if so how come there isn't a man in condaleza rice's position right now? I'm sure if woman was actually made of mud and a rib that there would be a man stronger than that.
Religion gives you something to believe in, something to have faith in, but do not go over the top with stories of the bible, they are meant to be moral stories, not exactly true, because all the bible is is stories handed down from generation to generation, just like gossip, and i think we all know how gossip gets screwed up. ever play broken telephone? that's what i thought.
thanks.
Andrew
6/14/2006
john this comment is for all of you people who leave these comments in favor of gay marriages.how would you feel if your children grew up to be gay.i bet anything that you would not approve of that so dont leave comments on this page to try and look like a good person because you are all full of yourselves get a grip on reality goddddd damnnnnnn 3/19/2006
john all of you gay people are going to hell when u die.you are all going against gods intentions.If god wanted a world full of homosexuals then he would not have made adam and eve he would have made adam and steve 3/19/2006
john in my opinion gay people should not be allowed to walk the same streets as me 3/19/2006
john gay people are garbage 3/19/2006
john Gay people should go live in the sewers with all the rest of the crap this world produces 3/19/2006
zaire I feel everyone should live life. Live life and be happy, whenever we stop judging someone, we go and find someone new. Unfortunalty this is just how humans are. We're bored so we talk about things until WE feel it's accomplished the way we want it.i just say viva everyone 5/8/2005
alix well i think that people should jus leave everyone the hell alone. blacks whites...gays are straights...I feel life's too short to be talkin about things for soo long..let the peole live damn...grow up....i am kinda homophobic...but ii still feel everyone has the right to do wateva da hell they damn well plz... 5/8/2005
Tabitha Phillip I don't know why people make such a big deal out of Gay Marriage. They are not freaks, and it doesn't effect other people. They are just two people in love, who should be able to do anything they want. They are not different than us in any way, except for their sexual preference. People just need to grow up and stop being so selfish 5/5/2005
ashley they deserve the same rights though and im willing to fight for that.
4/13/2005
Sarah A rock is a Rock and A tree is A tree and if two people are in love then there is nothing you can do about it.. why try to forbid something that is there. You cant stop people from the way they feel, if they're gay then that is how they are, you don't like it, don't look at it.
4/22/2005
sammy i think that whatever they want to do is fine. just leave me out of it!! they deserve the same rights though and im willing to fight for that. 4/13/2005
Sarah A rock is a Rock and A tree is A tree and if two people are in love then there is nothing you can do about it.. why try to forbid something that is there. You cant stop people from the way they feel, if they're gay then that is how they are, you don't like it, don't look at it. 11/8/2004
mary jane not to be rude or offend anybody but i think that being homosexual is definatly wrong. i am absolutly against gay marriage and will do anything to make sure it never becomes legal. it is absolutly sick and twisted. gay unions i am ok for...but not marriage it isn't right...this is all in my opinion though 11/1/2004
safezone IS SENATOR KERRY OUR ALLY?

This presidential election is undoubtedly one of the most contested and also the most important election in recent history. While many activist leaders of the LGBT community are hailing Senator John Kerry as an ally to the gay the community and understandably placing a high focus on the debate before our nation whether or not to amend the Constitution, it is important to remember that there are many other reasons why this election is important.

Before we assume that a liberal candidate from the democratic party will take a stand as a strong ally of the LGBT community, we should examine the facts and weigh all the evidence before we blindly put all of our support behind one candidate over the other. Based on a closer examination of Kerry's record as a Senator and the comments he made at the recent Presidential debate in Tempe, Arizona, many lesbians and gays are deciding that President George W. Bush should be re-elected.

I am a gay American, and I want to share with you my opinion... an opinion I have discovered that is shared by many others in the gay community.


THE KERRY RECORD

A close examination of John Kerry's record as a United States Senator reveals the following facts: John Kerry is personally opposed to legalizing same sex marriage and believes that marriage is a sacred institution between one woman and one man; and John Kerry supports the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which in itself is one step below a constitutional amendment, as it too defines marriage between a man and a woman and protects the rights of individual states to block legal recognition of same sex marriages.

In this regard, Senator Kerry's position on same sex marriage parallels that of President Bush. But many activists in the LGBT community are quick to point out that it is President Bush who is pushing for the Constitutional amendment.

Yet, when the proposal for the amendment recently came before the Senate for a vote, only two Senators were absent and did not take a stand on this issue. Those two absent congressmen were Senator John Edwards and Senator John Kerry. While paying the LGBT community plenty of lip service, when given an opportunity to put action behind his words, Senator Kerry chose not to stand up and vote against the amendment and in support of the LGBT community.

If Senators Kerry and Edwards are truly allies of the the gay community, they should have taken the opportunity to voice their opinion through their vote. When Senator Kerry remains silent on the most important issue facing gays and lesbians today, can he truly be called an ally of the LGBT community?


EXPLOITING THE LGBT COMMUNITY FOR POLITICAL GAIN

Kerry caused a stir on Wednesday night at the third and last presidential debate when he referred to Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, while answering a question from moderator Bob Schieffer, who asked whether homosexuality is a choice. It was the second time Mary Cheney's sexuality had come up during the debates. In the vice presidential debate last week, John Edwards also brought up the vice president's daughter.

But for what reason did both Kerry and Edwards feel they could bring the discussion of a private family matter of one of their opponents into the public arena? Kerry Campaign Manager Mary Beth Cahill told the media that Mary Cheney's orientation is "fair game." But many do not see it that way, and the following day Senator Kerry went before the cameras to offer not an apology, but an explanation of his comments.

But the remarks may have come too late for the vice president and second lady Lynne Cheney. Cheney told supporters at a rally in Fort Myers, Fla., that the Massachusetts senator stepped over the line. "You saw a man who will do and say anything to get elected, and I am not just speaking as a father here, although I am a pretty angry father," Cheney said.

Lynne Cheney also spoke publicly of Kerry's remarks and could no longer hold her silence about the repeated mention of her daughter's sexuality. "Now, you know, I did have a chance to assess John Kerry once more and now the only thing I could conclude: This is not a good man," she told a crowd of 800 debate-watchers in a Pittsburgh suburb. "Of course, I am speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick."

Many within the gay community also agree. John Kerry, by mentioning Mary Cheney in his answer at the debate, exploited the LGBT community for political gain. Many on both sides of the issue speculate that Kerry's intention was to "out" Mary Cheney to those Bush supporters who may not have been aware that Vice President Cheney's daughter was a lesbian, hoping it would shake the base of religious conservatives backing Bush and even turn some of the undecided voters to the Kerry camp. It was a clear attempt to embarrass President Bush and Vice President Cheney in front of the American public on live television.

But a stunt Kerry hoped would help him gain votes may indeed cost him the election. Political pollster Ed Goeas reported that the undecided focus group he surveyed during the debate on Wednesday night had a very negative reaction to Kerry after he brought up the vice president's daughter, even though they thought he had been doing well up until that point.

Log Cabin Republicans, the largest group for gay men and lesbians in the party who have endorsed Senator Kerry, may be having second thoughts. In a statement issued in response to Kerry's statement at the debate, they noted,"Senator Kerry could have made his point about gay and lesbian Americans without mentioning the Vice President's daughter," and offered advice to the Kerry-Edwards campaign to "stop using gay and lesbian families as a political wedge issue."

While Senator Kerry should be commended for his vocal support of civil unions and equal rights for all Americans, including gays, lesbians and same sex couples, the comments he made at during the debate reveal a different story: one were Kerry will say anything in an attempt to gain votes. America is divided over the issue and Kerry seems to be taking his trademark approach of supporting one side, and then the other. He consistently has a record of his actions not matching his words. Kerry claims to be an ally of the LGBT community but he supports the Defense of Marriage Act and opposes same sex marriage. And when the opportunity arises he has shown that he will exploit members of the gay community for political gain. Senator Kerry showed his true colors at the debate, and many gays and lesbians are now realizing that he may not be such a strong ally after all.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

It is often said that "the truth hurts," but even at the risk of offending fellow members of the gay community, it is important to consider the truth about the push for an amendment to the United States Constitution to block same sex marriage.

The whole issue of an amendment did not surface in the public mainstream until after the events that took place in San Francisco and Massachusetts earlier this year. A minority of gay activists who mistakenly believe they speak for the entire LGBT community, found allies in a renegade mayor and some activists judges, and set in motion a series of events that created a strong negative backlash against the gay community. In California and Massachusetts, the demand for the legal recognition of same sex marriages was forced upon the American people in a way that caused many to view the actions as a threat. While the intentions were good and it did force a much needed discussion on the need for equal rights for lesbians and gays, it also fueled the fires of opposition.

Nationwide polls currently reflect that upwards of 70% of Americans now oppose the legalization of same sex marriage, and with a margin of 2 to 1, Americans favor some form of legislation including amending individual state as well as the federal Constitution. What may not have been evident to the gay activists who pushed for action in San Francisco, is crystal clear now: the actions of the gay community created a negative backlash that has severely damaged the progress we had been making towards gaining equal rights.

While LGBT activists and supporters are quick to blame George Bush and the Republican party for driving the debate for a constitutional amendment, they refuse to acknowledge that the actions of the extreme gay activists in San Francisco had any role in the negative backlash that is now hurting the gay community. By forcing the issue of legalizing same sex marriage as we did, we took a gamble and lost. Instead of focussing all of our anger on George Bush, most of it should be directed to the extreme activist leaders of the gay community who clearly caused more damage to our cause than the Republican party ever could.

It is also important to remember that George Bush is just one man. He cannot amend the Constitution on his own. It will be brought again before Congress and also before the American people for a vote. Our attention and energy should be focussed on changing the minds and hearts of our fellow Americans, who in the end will have the final say on whether or not our Constitution is amended. While Senator Kerry had no right to exploit Mary Cheney and the gay community at the recent debate, the point of his comment remains valid. It is important that we educate the public about the truths of homosexuality: that it is not a choice and that it is only right and fair that all Americans be given the same rights and protections under the Constitution.

But we are not going to change minds and hearts if we continue to perpetuate the myths and stereotypes used to justify discrimination and fuel homophobia. We will not change minds and hearts by organizing more drag shows or by drilling holes in the stall walls of public rest rooms. The gay community needs to put it's best face forward.


WE NEED TO UNITE, NOT DIVIDE

The fight for equal rights for gays and lesbians is not divided down party lines. The gay community has a nasty habit of assuming that the liberal democratic party is "gay friendly" and our strongest allies while the evil republican party is our enemy. Instead of blindly following wherever the far left gay activists lead our community, each individual gay. lesbian, bisexual and transgendered person should make every effort to be educated on the facts, not the fiction, rumors and cospiracy theories. It is clear that we need to work with both republicans and democrats if we are going to further our fight for equal rights. If we make it an "us against them" war, we will never win.

We need to unite, not divide. We should never allow either political party to use gay and lesbian issues as a political wedge. We need to build strong allies on both sides of the Congressional aisle, as well as rally public support regardless of political leanings. We should not discount our allies within the republican party by assuming that only liberal democrats deserve our vote.

As evidence, consider the recent vote on the proposed constitutional amendment. In the Senate, both Kerry and Edwards refused to vote. And a non-vote is the same as a vote in favor of the amendment. In the House of Representatives, it is important to note that several republicans voted AGAINST the amendment and in our favor, while several democrats voted for the amendment and against our cause. Members of the LGBT community need to get educated and start thinking for themselves, and stop believing the assumption that we are required to only vote for democratic candidates, especially when we need our republican allies now more than ever.

The Log Cabin Republicans are a good example of the LGBT community reaching out to gain strong allies on the right side of the aisle. In this election season, Log Cabin will endorse dozens of GOP candidates for the U.S. House and Senate including Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), Congressman Chris Shays (R-CT), Congressman Charlie Bass (R-NH), Congresswoman Judy Biggert (R-IL), Congressman Jim Gerlach (R-PA), Congressman Rob Simmons (R-CT), Congresswoman Deborah Pryce (R-OH), Congressman Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Congresswoman Mary Bono (R-CA), Congressman Jim Leach (R-IA), Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), and many others.

Each member of the LGBT community is encouraged to get informed about each candidate running for office in his or her respective state. Give yourself permission to vote for the best candidate, even if that candidate is a republican.


THE CHOICE IS CLEAR

Now more than ever, America needs a strong leader as Commander in Chief. And when you compare the 20 year congressional record of Senator John Kerry with the four years of George Bush serving as our president, it is clear that we must re-elect George W. Bush. We need a president who is strong on defense and national security; a leader who will not back down or waiver when it comes to protecting American citizens. President Bush also has the right plan to strengthen the economy, improve education and health care, to keep taxes low, and our military strong.

John Kerry has a record of raising taxes, of expanding the government and the control it has over the lives of American citizens. John Kerry is consistently inconsistent and both his record and his words prove he has taken multiple stands on every major issue facing our country today. John Kerry is not an ally of the gay community. He supports the Defense of Marriage Act and opposes same sex marriage. And when he had an opportunity to speak up for gays and lesbians in our fight for equal rights, he chose to remain silent. But at the debate, he did not remain silent and deliberately exploited a member of the gay community for political gain.

I urge all sensible members of the LGBT community to educate themselves on the issues, to separate fact from fiction, and follow their gut and vote to re-elect George W. Bush for President of the United States.


Doug Seubert
Founder/Executive Director
Safe Zone Foundation

The Safe Zone Foundation is a non-profit organization serving the LGBT community. The foundation provides professional development assistance and grant funding to organizations that serve the LGBT community including Safe Zone programs and Gay/Straight Alliances in schools and universities across the United States, as well as PFLAG chapters and other support groups. The Safe Zone Foundation also manages the Center for Outreach, Prevention and Education (COPE), providing access to current and accurate health and prevention information on HIV/AIDS, sexually transmitted diseases, substance abuse, eating disorders, depression and suicide and other health issue affecting the LGBT community.

10/15/2004
Sam Agnew I think gay marriage in wrong. And nasty!! 6/8/2004
LeQuiontous I do naot care about it at all. I think that they are like every one else in this world and they should have the same right's that we have as humans. they have to get up in the morring just like us and they do the same ting that we do. they work and have sex but in a differnt way then people that is not gay. 5/27/2004
Kenneth i don't think it is right for gays to be married. I think this way simply because it's morally and religiously wrong. I especially don't think God put men and women on the earth for the same sex. 5/20/2004
Jaimi-leigh I think that it is between a man and a woman to be married. But it also takes love to be married. I don't really think that anyone should be gay. but if you are gay, like my uncle, than more power to you. It's your choice. i think that if they can't get married than they should be able to get something done to them just for gays to show that they love each other. 5/19/2004
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