Turkey as Birthplace of the European Identity, and Mr. Markus Soeder's Historical Ignorance

As late as the Early Middle Ages, the present Turkish territory was culturally 'Europe' and the present Scandinavian, Central European, British, Iberian and Russian territory was culturally 'Asia'.
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MSMegalommatis Your ignorance drives you to racism.

And your fallacious beliefs endanger peace in Europe and the rest of the world.

2/14/2008
bob look your face and compare to real greeks ...how can u talk greek history... 2/12/2008
bob turkey shoud be out of those lands long long time go and go back where u are belown you don't even know where u from no history... 2/12/2008
james you say before greeks they were living hitites even the word it is greek poeple like u i known what they need i feal sory for u because u have no history and u are ..ziliaris... and foul of comlpex shame of you mongol... 2/12/2008
jim what has to do greek civilization with turkey go back shcool fony poeple.... 2/12/2008
MSMegalommatis The only idiotic is what you say.

I understand that in your German anger you cannot see clear!

The Eastern Roman Empire (not Byzanz) certainly was not Turkish.

In the same way the Western Roman Empire was not .... Italian, German, Spanish, French or English.

It is the other way round that it happens -and this is what I say, but you cannot understand, due to your un-German, nationalistic hatred.

In the same way today's Italians are (some of) the heirs of the Western Roman Empire, today's Turks are (some of) the heirs of the Eastern Roman Empire.

Cultural Heritage has nothing to do with your razistische Ideologie.....

When talking about 1453, you go beyond the level of ludicrous.

It was not Turks against Eastern Romans; it was Muslim Eastern Romans (led by few thousands of Turks) against Christian Eastern Romans. It was a fratricide war due to religion.

Forget your criminal nationalistic biases that will bring war inside Germany. Stop it!
2/10/2008
Michael Q This is history for complete idiots. Nothing of this happened in Turkey. It happened in Asia Minor. The Birthplace of European Cultures is Greece an Rom.
Byzanz is NOT Turkish. The Hagia Sofia, witch is Greek an mean "Great Wisdom" is not Turkish.
Byzanz was founded 660 BC, around 329 it was named Constantinople. And it was Constantinople with roman and Greek influence in religion, culture, science, …
And it stay that way an till 1453 when it was conquered by the Osman Empire
To conquer a territory and conquer an great culture by war does not mean that Turkey is part of this culture.
Turkey is not the birthplace of Europe, Turkey is the Gravedigger of European Culture in Asia Minor
2/9/2008
MSMegalommatis You definitely need to re-read this so simple sentence that your passion does not allow you to clearly understand.

Historical reality has nothing to do with your sympathies, pleasures, and empathy.

Re-adjust your mindset; this is a good advise for survival - at all times.

Your premeditated approach leads to disaster.
2/2/2008
Terry Walsh When I read the following {In fact, as late as the Early Middle Ages, the present Turkish territory was culturally 'Europe' and the present Scandinavian, Central European, British, Iberian and Russian territory was culturally 'Asia'. The Origins of Europe in their totality are to be found in Turkey}, I was tempted to stop reading. As you well know, Professor, the Turks arrived rather late in Anatolia, and appropriated much of the pre-existing culture. This is no slight on Turkey, but Turks should welcome European integration on European terms. 2/1/2008
MSMegalommatis And, according to your pathetic approach, the Greeks have all stolen from the Hittites, the Assyrians, and the other Oriental civilizations.

You are totally ignorant, and you are not entitled to any opinion; present your academic titles if you want to continue.

Otherwise you will prove me correct when I characterize you as an idiotic nationalist, determined to bring wars and disaster to Europe and America - because of your unbearable racism.

Close your idiotic mouth! This is the language you deserve.
1/27/2008
WLindsayWheeler This article is very funny. What is now Turkey was once called Ionia because it was filled with Ionian Greeks---not Turks. If there is any European culture found in Turkey is because of the Greeks there not the Turks. The Turks are a non-European people. This article is about a Turk stealing from the Greeks. This article is non-scholarly and is non-historical. Most of this stuff talked about in this article happened before there was any Islam was around. Islam did not come into being until the 7th century AD. This article is nonsensical. 1/26/2008
MSMegalommatis Thank you for your inaccurate and nonsensical remarks that give me the opportunity of one more article about your erratic considerations and their fabrication. 1/14/2008
Majed This is typical of the Turkish attempts to cover up their origins and misdeeds. While the writer conveniently recalls the geographical origins of the various pre-European cultures, he conveniently forgets to mention that all those achievements had nothing to do with "TURKEY" or the people of turkish origin. The original inhabitants of what is now called Turkey were decimated and destroyed by the barbarous Turkish tribes that invalded the whole area and reached to the gates of Vienna.

Obviously, philosophy, faith and the expansion of Christianity were not the result of the geographic location but the fruits of the people inhabitting the region. Therefore to claim that the Origins of Europ is in Turkey is a fallacy and distortion of historical truths.
1/13/2008
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